Michihito Matsuda about the AI Mayor project and why we need to overcome old democratic systems

by come on another episode of democracy

innovators podcast and our guests of today

is the michi he told matsuda and

the and thank you for being here

yeah

and you'll either the an interesting experiment

an ai parking japan

and would you like to tell us

more about the this project okay i

said whoa i don't want everyone i

thank you for having me today

i will meet you he go much

that called amici or also known as

the emea japan

i am a very on that

to join you will tokyo japan

a christian and on the hey i

am a project yes i announced the

the a mere as a social experiment

the challenge traditional politics using a under

a corrective indigenous

we wanted to test whether we could

use a put an actual market data

and ai tools to make a politics

more transparent a party spotted three and

the evidence based

i looked just about the it's not

just about technology it's about restoring trust

in democracy by a in await in

involving more people in what does he

and his you're making through a new

tours that's all

and the

and is there a moment in your

life that to can associate to this

project the i mean when you have

a

eric it took his shot

as at a turning point for me

was when i long for mayor or

tokyo's tama city in and twenty a

key

i actually a campaign and the the

as a name a a mere back

then

even though i wasn't etiquette

the idealized just something a pothole people

curious about new houghton's horvitz of reader

sick

that experience grand as a seed or

what rather become the air party

okay and explain url a little bit

learn

that is was the social experiment the

and you are trying to use collective

intelligence and the like you should call

would like to the us more about

the motivation behind his projects yet

politics in japan

i and many countries is dominated by

all the assistant

the break room the ric bucher on

the deal and a lack of eat

innovation might much mission was to create

a new political culture

wow that is over

did although the ribbon and inclusive

and pass on our the i've always

believed it for this should have to

be left only to put the chance

as he can help ordinary people get

involved in shaping the future

and the about the am i mean

you said that the you are not

elected the the your or a meteor

was not elected that or do you

have any idea about to why these

a because maybe be eyes

to new people do not trust the

iron technology

i think

to wait as inc or

laura the to change now we can

be elected for his weight than the

attended didn't they yet

the meantime change as that to enhance

and the

do you have anything to share about

your personal life

yeah eventually starting also from when you

were a child like for did you

grow up or

get

i i grew up in tokyo japan

ever since i was a keats i

was curious about how society works and

roth reddit wang seems didn't seem clear

i was never ah keep your for

the parcel i studied international the or

a study he was the in the

and the with the reading about assistance

and the issues

maybe that was a my interest in

a the designing new governance and governance

models it comes home

on the when i was twenty seven

years old i started my own company

and the launched a file sharing service

that the red hook's the download the

on the share whole music download the

share our music or great

using a peer to peer theology which

was leery will be to at the

time

it was aimed at the japanese users

and even jedi is a music industry

hire the and roasted against the me

personally and seeking so the median doris

in damages about or he is as

important put back then and zara no

role no rules regard aggregating is a

kind of technology and the as i

go

it's a than we see over and

over again that role is always a

brain catch up with innovation

and maybe a what we are discussing

here today

and might also be a breeding alder

said the current three or greylock

that's all okay and the and the

a mean you explain a little beatles

about your professional background but if you

want to say more your leg

i

i walked in media camp or media

company internet industry and energy density and

in a kick

i around in three a mayor election

i'll talk your governors at of sean

and even call the earth's at national

parliament

but that's not all i also announced

area to area three a emir court

and the entered as am indifferent addictions

is a year

and oh yeah not stopping here there

i am planning to go all the

way to emir why hundred

now i am a horsing on using

air and away with technology to build

experimenter a got the homeless or little

rusty including a prediction market or who'd

been in the election or whole edge

of the in japan

that's not the just politics it's airport

car around death

okay and about the the moscow will

delight to tell of the

if theresa story behind the mosque like

her

and i messaged sure that people that

at the walking and a space between

technology and the purchase

yeah i do you are walking in

the most important space or our time

darned be hurried to change his assistant

but also dont even though as a

schumer said the liturgy air can guide

us but various esx and inclusion must

always conquest

keep visiting stay curious and collaborate across

borders like we are doing right now

thank you very much

and can thank you and and the

end about to him i was asking

about the massacre that you're wearing and

against all the can kind of kennedy

yeah yeah if you want of but

the nana if there is a story

be he

why you are wearing a musket like

if someone is can be kudos about

because privacy and was privacy and in

japan i think

a country of all the country

yeah

there is it too kind of puzzle

people who can learn or the election

reach face on or biddy poor person

who cannot ross entity so of course

just kept these people count

run to the addiction but also boot

come on people cannot

i ran for the election because of

the rift is your own what were

the people ross direction and they cannot

find new job any more in japan

because if if you run through the

election

you see if by sets oh you

who is he who is a he

and sns says oh who is a

he a he's a receipt though he's

in the agenda where he's a crazy

guy and soul more-so citizens

we just such find who he's a

slow privacy and utter erosion

he channeled

to come back to

job any more in japan

that's why did trump at each people

or poor people

zika i can they can laugh or

the edition already

but if you wear the mask

he can protect privacy with regard to

that is and is of people

is using

the hundred name nicknames right

most of the people doesn't use don

to use the other name in the

internet

that's a current

market

seoul yeah of course of you are

it's yours or famous guy so you

can disclose your name and was already

can be scrolls artillery lack of ninety

nine percent or wishes is a cannot

disclose the name evil ways because they

have to protect

he hazard or even he's worried

that's right

i decided to wear the mask on

the to protect her look disclose anything

even name ways a job or history

as long as and so this is

a common way to are other people

in japan to run for election wearing

a mask or know to protect the

i'm also life

on the the

so yeah the government and it election

and committee and we can be camera

have become opposite very much but according

to roll

to have to allow us to run

to the russia weeds out the replace

your name

wearing the mask soul japanese edition row

is not enough the soul the try

again to that

but

i write because please lucas the internet

most people don't disclose his name like

yeah this is also the things that

you explain about the rich people and

poor people

the to rich people can easily run

for elections

i i'm wondering like if these experiment

that you did like with their a

i may your in the some kind

of sense can balance the sphinx between

the rich and poor

yeah

but

in the past few years and has

happened but in the wrong time but

us will be a stable i think

raleigh

and the

you were saying lake and that this

social experiment to i mean we've collective

intelligence can also bring some new kind

of politics some new kind of

oh on your way of doing

and the acting in the political life

and i wonder like if you have

any hope like the society become a

and different from what it is right

now issue of a dreamlike along good

thermal vision like of how you would

like to see society and the

i jerry

there should be year no schumer put

a chance

so of origin can operate politics of

one hundred percent

because they were going to see and

hear the because she ease

the cautious the to decide everything right

so loaning would have shut so she

doesn't count

i will put it the government directory

the thing was he can't do that

i think

yup so like a

he if we think about direct democracy

was not possible in the past the

latin nyc not now it will be

possible thanks to technology but those saw

that kind of democracy the other kind

of political system and

yeah

he a particular system is to roll

so i think

i think

sixty six sixty as all the people

over the showers seventy as or the

auditions nineteen years old quarter shawn he

does he have to protect the current

about us accurate able to die so

i think twenty years

as or that the as retired

we can a cheap

i was in covering soon

so so you expect that liking and

twenty year sir

the all politicians will be digital

do

i think all the political islam as

excel but be because at the low

the guy

extra row has to change has to

be change

this are some election law is very

august so i think

the geisha needed to be changed because

that

and but because human asset the arrow

whoa

the ocean and do you do that

is a row

we cannot do

dude

what do we have to do or

future

because he can let the boat by

your internet we have to go to

the visionary he wanted

but i would ever

and the when you run for the

election like a saw a couple of

times if i'm not wrong like

what what weird

i like the reaction from other parties

like the other political parties and

hm oh he's crazy is a strange

that's all saw or yeah they of

a your while he goes

if date yet me

the that benefit the or me because

the media have to say how to

create the actual so yeah

that

the future

station will change sir

yeah also showed that i mean technologies

like invading our lives and we all

but a already at each puts chance

of

and as i as our puppies on

the contacted the me repository but each

week patty it a read it to

each candidate each body shots

because over

cordoba what he felt that the to

conduct so i think yeah

yeah

all the national party

to keep the quantity

the current politics

what until they died maybe to diversity

yes reader

okay

and the and there was thinking like

he the other parties

did they tried to use the some

technology like her as you did the

like i dunno they are integrating ai

inside their political parties are they are

doing experiments yeah i think

auto parties have started to use a

or take technology whole creating their money

first awhile strategy or whatever would over

there i think that most of the

people have started to use strategy cbd

he might still city keats

is using be gbp so now most

of the people most of the porsche

a started to use the

yeah i i tried to cbd but

i would ever or their pass our

use of but my intention my strategy

and like i have to do is

not support to just clinicians should be

decreased by a or

comfortable singled on sinks there is a

big difference between my strategy under as

a parties so disease as a party

easy you airy as support to to

help you

but now i i i don't think

so

human to support human don't need any

more and a really good p into

he has to do

products by itself

done that

yeah absolutely

the that can happen so seen some

way and it can be also little

bit dangerous if the

i don't even care about the i'm

also seeing technology that the as a

said is invading our life

and we are using a technology a

lot to

personally i personally i'm very worried by

using the

technology for politica using and that's why

i e

i started researching more and more because

otherwise it was something that was really

scaring me

because i'm what these karim is like

having let's say a sort of ai

that these are kind of black box

that we don't know what's happening inside

and the let's say it tomorrow the

a i may your is elected and

the i may your essay

we have to do this

but that finger can be the i

dunno something very controversial or something that

could be very

you understand what i mean like that

yeah and i started out the me

about the think

hm so i understand about you a

worry about but that happens or not

the one i'm up to thing as

i go so chance is doing everything

but she cannot do kenneth the know

the process zest so what do you

have to just the we know is

that he's out up for the x

so that is the areas of same

as a human politics current order to

my politics so they hurried the process

how a decide to the strategy policies

yeah i think

yeah i think the

a at the can be placed or

human politics and the oh no

issue

aft air he replace human or

porter the shots because schumann put a

chance don't disclose everything nope thrust punish

actress the air politics she is there

is a superb transpire ceo airport the

airport of the so well

so the seasons can correct

as a politics because they can see

that this on the put a conspiracy

of the process of the politics i

think you cannot a can you cannot

know the order process of the politics

of be carried right

but if yeah a at gaba as

each other where he eatery national report

eggs are you can

scissors or the john and become a

to know the process of the why

i decide these why air decided this

so you can see you get such

you can investigate what why and pushes

the site this

it's i think at least air questions

these because of the human products because

what was that trust what i see

intangible at the transparency

yeah absolutely it is through the close

in the our political system we don't

have a lot of transparency and the

sun-times it is a sort of black

box was so we for classic black

box at night

and the

yeah i i can also share the

the dream that

a i can

the be more transparent and the some

way less corrupted

then politicians

and the but but i think that

the the

the a lot of work has to

put into creating this kind of system

yeah

to provide the ai as a black

box

because the otherwise someone can exploit the

and the fact that the a eyes

of black box exactly as a right

now our

political system can be as a sort

of blackbox sometimes

so i feel a lot of effort

as for put the

i don't think so because the if

you see the but our club you

can see rockbox where he predicts

you can imagine chapter cbt you can

ask oh where is it to be

know that he did oh well at

least the book spot i think next

zinc air you explain that he did

over rockbox so

oh yeah yes this is this is

through and

i wonder like a

do you know also also right now

it could be that there are some

a political decision taken by economists the

let's say okay because of economy we

have seen that we have to other

no kept phones for education we have

to spend the more of

a military coup or whatever some other

things

do

and i thinking

i mean a lot of people don't

know don't have any economic knowledge and

the i also would be out for

me to understand everything

but of course i do not agree

like in cutting funding for applications

and the using that money to finance

war

i

and they think do

something like that could happen

also we say i dunno if i

say okay that are these specific hologic

reasons why you we should the called

the educational findings and put that money

to do the world because it's more

convenient and so on

it i know it will be the

same like with the actual systems that

we have no

yeah

it will be the same but still

a little bit more dangerous

he yes i think

huron often take mistake or sink or

so they can mistake so if we

can see a the ai and ot

the writing service and

object or happen

yeah sometimes case of that old

driving salaries

people like a human driver but as

an issue is there

bitter a driving services ratio as out

a human driver so it's very similar

to the shots so i think do

you know there is a horse six

or the and area graduate

ot driving cypress in japan

past

a i support

whoa driver or their have to

grab the hundred all rights

and the sick out of step is

and

driver human driver has to seat is

a seat

and oh a a is driving the

car back to when and sometimes imagine

she happened humor

yeah

take one hundred he said the where

is a cylinder him and the saddle

basically human driver i still do

the doesn't have to do

anything but a human has to sit

down in there is a car on

the whole ship

no need of humor he said of

car

larry is edit everything so as

and car driving service and by erie

sure

politics market

there should be

step-by-step hosted so air i support human

chance and the second

erie need a politics about if imagine

sheet i grabbed whoa who could i

negotiate my guy or economics

the east ancient human

despite the publish way to into politics

he said the ai and the rust

spirit partnership don't need the humor just

air do everything but this is democracy

so

a game

she's account prior a you a mystic

use your through the edition

he can

we got stiffed a region

we he can last a weekend

he got airy put a chance any

time

yeah i agree that the that as

to be someone at the the wheel

at the

at least at the beginning yeah yeah

absolutely and are very kudos to see

all the experiments that the there will

be in next the years time about

the yeah how to use technology to

improve the

social and political life

not just for profit but tribute to

improve the way we take decisions and

yeah until the me it's a bath

it should not be a business so

yeah sees a and policies

all the by the or all

susan's so the should it be shouldn't

be year beast of each was i

seek

of course so thank you a lot

of michi i dunno issue of something

else or throughout the if you want

to run the

aren't you like to say everyone who

is watching this movie breeze lamb or

the issue in your country

i if so you can become to

goal

the what i i was sake to

a while hundred percent and the if

you need if you want to hear

more or it's how this meeting weise

attic alex on the me okay and

it was so

it's keeping that

thank you a lot mitchell