by come on another episode of democracy
innovators podcast and our guests of today
is the michi he told matsuda and
the and thank you for being here
yeah
and you'll either the an interesting experiment
an ai parking japan
and would you like to tell us
more about the this project okay i
said whoa i don't want everyone i
thank you for having me today
i will meet you he go much
that called amici or also known as
the emea japan
i am a very on that
to join you will tokyo japan
a christian and on the hey i
am a project yes i announced the
the a mere as a social experiment
the challenge traditional politics using a under
a corrective indigenous
we wanted to test whether we could
use a put an actual market data
and ai tools to make a politics
more transparent a party spotted three and
the evidence based
i looked just about the it's not
just about technology it's about restoring trust
in democracy by a in await in
involving more people in what does he
and his you're making through a new
tours that's all
and the
and is there a moment in your
life that to can associate to this
project the i mean when you have
a
eric it took his shot
as at a turning point for me
was when i long for mayor or
tokyo's tama city in and twenty a
key
i actually a campaign and the the
as a name a a mere back
then
even though i wasn't etiquette
the idealized just something a pothole people
curious about new houghton's horvitz of reader
sick
that experience grand as a seed or
what rather become the air party
okay and explain url a little bit
learn
that is was the social experiment the
and you are trying to use collective
intelligence and the like you should call
would like to the us more about
the motivation behind his projects yet
politics in japan
i and many countries is dominated by
all the assistant
the break room the ric bucher on
the deal and a lack of eat
innovation might much mission was to create
a new political culture
wow that is over
did although the ribbon and inclusive
and pass on our the i've always
believed it for this should have to
be left only to put the chance
as he can help ordinary people get
involved in shaping the future
and the about the am i mean
you said that the you are not
elected the the your or a meteor
was not elected that or do you
have any idea about to why these
a because maybe be eyes
to new people do not trust the
iron technology
i think
to wait as inc or
laura the to change now we can
be elected for his weight than the
attended didn't they yet
the meantime change as that to enhance
and the
do you have anything to share about
your personal life
yeah eventually starting also from when you
were a child like for did you
grow up or
get
i i grew up in tokyo japan
ever since i was a keats i
was curious about how society works and
roth reddit wang seems didn't seem clear
i was never ah keep your for
the parcel i studied international the or
a study he was the in the
and the with the reading about assistance
and the issues
maybe that was a my interest in
a the designing new governance and governance
models it comes home
on the when i was twenty seven
years old i started my own company
and the launched a file sharing service
that the red hook's the download the
on the share whole music download the
share our music or great
using a peer to peer theology which
was leery will be to at the
time
it was aimed at the japanese users
and even jedi is a music industry
hire the and roasted against the me
personally and seeking so the median doris
in damages about or he is as
important put back then and zara no
role no rules regard aggregating is a
kind of technology and the as i
go
it's a than we see over and
over again that role is always a
brain catch up with innovation
and maybe a what we are discussing
here today
and might also be a breeding alder
said the current three or greylock
that's all okay and the and the
a mean you explain a little beatles
about your professional background but if you
want to say more your leg
i
i walked in media camp or media
company internet industry and energy density and
in a kick
i around in three a mayor election
i'll talk your governors at of sean
and even call the earth's at national
parliament
but that's not all i also announced
area to area three a emir court
and the entered as am indifferent addictions
is a year
and oh yeah not stopping here there
i am planning to go all the
way to emir why hundred
now i am a horsing on using
air and away with technology to build
experimenter a got the homeless or little
rusty including a prediction market or who'd
been in the election or whole edge
of the in japan
that's not the just politics it's airport
car around death
okay and about the the moscow will
delight to tell of the
if theresa story behind the mosque like
her
and i messaged sure that people that
at the walking and a space between
technology and the purchase
yeah i do you are walking in
the most important space or our time
darned be hurried to change his assistant
but also dont even though as a
schumer said the liturgy air can guide
us but various esx and inclusion must
always conquest
keep visiting stay curious and collaborate across
borders like we are doing right now
thank you very much
and can thank you and and the
end about to him i was asking
about the massacre that you're wearing and
against all the can kind of kennedy
yeah yeah if you want of but
the nana if there is a story
be he
why you are wearing a musket like
if someone is can be kudos about
because privacy and was privacy and in
japan i think
a country of all the country
yeah
there is it too kind of puzzle
people who can learn or the election
reach face on or biddy poor person
who cannot ross entity so of course
just kept these people count
run to the addiction but also boot
come on people cannot
i ran for the election because of
the rift is your own what were
the people ross direction and they cannot
find new job any more in japan
because if if you run through the
election
you see if by sets oh you
who is he who is a he
and sns says oh who is a
he a he's a receipt though he's
in the agenda where he's a crazy
guy and soul more-so citizens
we just such find who he's a
slow privacy and utter erosion
he channeled
to come back to
job any more in japan
that's why did trump at each people
or poor people
zika i can they can laugh or
the edition already
but if you wear the mask
he can protect privacy with regard to
that is and is of people
is using
the hundred name nicknames right
most of the people doesn't use don
to use the other name in the
internet
that's a current
market
seoul yeah of course of you are
it's yours or famous guy so you
can disclose your name and was already
can be scrolls artillery lack of ninety
nine percent or wishes is a cannot
disclose the name evil ways because they
have to protect
he hazard or even he's worried
that's right
i decided to wear the mask on
the to protect her look disclose anything
even name ways a job or history
as long as and so this is
a common way to are other people
in japan to run for election wearing
a mask or know to protect the
i'm also life
on the the
so yeah the government and it election
and committee and we can be camera
have become opposite very much but according
to roll
to have to allow us to run
to the russia weeds out the replace
your name
wearing the mask soul japanese edition row
is not enough the soul the try
again to that
but
i write because please lucas the internet
most people don't disclose his name like
yeah this is also the things that
you explain about the rich people and
poor people
the to rich people can easily run
for elections
i i'm wondering like if these experiment
that you did like with their a
i may your in the some kind
of sense can balance the sphinx between
the rich and poor
yeah
but
in the past few years and has
happened but in the wrong time but
us will be a stable i think
raleigh
and the
you were saying lake and that this
social experiment to i mean we've collective
intelligence can also bring some new kind
of politics some new kind of
oh on your way of doing
and the acting in the political life
and i wonder like if you have
any hope like the society become a
and different from what it is right
now issue of a dreamlike along good
thermal vision like of how you would
like to see society and the
i jerry
there should be year no schumer put
a chance
so of origin can operate politics of
one hundred percent
because they were going to see and
hear the because she ease
the cautious the to decide everything right
so loaning would have shut so she
doesn't count
i will put it the government directory
the thing was he can't do that
i think
yup so like a
he if we think about direct democracy
was not possible in the past the
latin nyc not now it will be
possible thanks to technology but those saw
that kind of democracy the other kind
of political system and
yeah
he a particular system is to roll
so i think
i think
sixty six sixty as all the people
over the showers seventy as or the
auditions nineteen years old quarter shawn he
does he have to protect the current
about us accurate able to die so
i think twenty years
as or that the as retired
we can a cheap
i was in covering soon
so so you expect that liking and
twenty year sir
the all politicians will be digital
do
i think all the political islam as
excel but be because at the low
the guy
extra row has to change has to
be change
this are some election law is very
august so i think
the geisha needed to be changed because
that
and but because human asset the arrow
whoa
the ocean and do you do that
is a row
we cannot do
dude
what do we have to do or
future
because he can let the boat by
your internet we have to go to
the visionary he wanted
but i would ever
and the when you run for the
election like a saw a couple of
times if i'm not wrong like
what what weird
i like the reaction from other parties
like the other political parties and
hm oh he's crazy is a strange
that's all saw or yeah they of
a your while he goes
if date yet me
the that benefit the or me because
the media have to say how to
create the actual so yeah
that
the future
station will change sir
yeah also showed that i mean technologies
like invading our lives and we all
but a already at each puts chance
of
and as i as our puppies on
the contacted the me repository but each
week patty it a read it to
each candidate each body shots
because over
cordoba what he felt that the to
conduct so i think yeah
yeah
all the national party
to keep the quantity
the current politics
what until they died maybe to diversity
yes reader
okay
and the and there was thinking like
he the other parties
did they tried to use the some
technology like her as you did the
like i dunno they are integrating ai
inside their political parties are they are
doing experiments yeah i think
auto parties have started to use a
or take technology whole creating their money
first awhile strategy or whatever would over
there i think that most of the
people have started to use strategy cbd
he might still city keats
is using be gbp so now most
of the people most of the porsche
a started to use the
yeah i i tried to cbd but
i would ever or their pass our
use of but my intention my strategy
and like i have to do is
not support to just clinicians should be
decreased by a or
comfortable singled on sinks there is a
big difference between my strategy under as
a parties so disease as a party
easy you airy as support to to
help you
but now i i i don't think
so
human to support human don't need any
more and a really good p into
he has to do
products by itself
done that
yeah absolutely
the that can happen so seen some
way and it can be also little
bit dangerous if the
i don't even care about the i'm
also seeing technology that the as a
said is invading our life
and we are using a technology a
lot to
personally i personally i'm very worried by
using the
technology for politica using and that's why
i e
i started researching more and more because
otherwise it was something that was really
scaring me
because i'm what these karim is like
having let's say a sort of ai
that these are kind of black box
that we don't know what's happening inside
and the let's say it tomorrow the
a i may your is elected and
the i may your essay
we have to do this
but that finger can be the i
dunno something very controversial or something that
could be very
you understand what i mean like that
yeah and i started out the me
about the think
hm so i understand about you a
worry about but that happens or not
the one i'm up to thing as
i go so chance is doing everything
but she cannot do kenneth the know
the process zest so what do you
have to just the we know is
that he's out up for the x
so that is the areas of same
as a human politics current order to
my politics so they hurried the process
how a decide to the strategy policies
yeah i think
yeah i think the
a at the can be placed or
human politics and the oh no
issue
aft air he replace human or
porter the shots because schumann put a
chance don't disclose everything nope thrust punish
actress the air politics she is there
is a superb transpire ceo airport the
airport of the so well
so the seasons can correct
as a politics because they can see
that this on the put a conspiracy
of the process of the politics i
think you cannot a can you cannot
know the order process of the politics
of be carried right
but if yeah a at gaba as
each other where he eatery national report
eggs are you can
scissors or the john and become a
to know the process of the why
i decide these why air decided this
so you can see you get such
you can investigate what why and pushes
the site this
it's i think at least air questions
these because of the human products because
what was that trust what i see
intangible at the transparency
yeah absolutely it is through the close
in the our political system we don't
have a lot of transparency and the
sun-times it is a sort of black
box was so we for classic black
box at night
and the
yeah i i can also share the
the dream that
a i can
the be more transparent and the some
way less corrupted
then politicians
and the but but i think that
the the
the a lot of work has to
put into creating this kind of system
yeah
to provide the ai as a black
box
because the otherwise someone can exploit the
and the fact that the a eyes
of black box exactly as a right
now our
political system can be as a sort
of blackbox sometimes
so i feel a lot of effort
as for put the
i don't think so because the if
you see the but our club you
can see rockbox where he predicts
you can imagine chapter cbt you can
ask oh where is it to be
know that he did oh well at
least the book spot i think next
zinc air you explain that he did
over rockbox so
oh yeah yes this is this is
through and
i wonder like a
do you know also also right now
it could be that there are some
a political decision taken by economists the
let's say okay because of economy we
have seen that we have to other
no kept phones for education we have
to spend the more of
a military coup or whatever some other
things
do
and i thinking
i mean a lot of people don't
know don't have any economic knowledge and
the i also would be out for
me to understand everything
but of course i do not agree
like in cutting funding for applications
and the using that money to finance
war
i
and they think do
something like that could happen
also we say i dunno if i
say okay that are these specific hologic
reasons why you we should the called
the educational findings and put that money
to do the world because it's more
convenient and so on
it i know it will be the
same like with the actual systems that
we have no
yeah
it will be the same but still
a little bit more dangerous
he yes i think
huron often take mistake or sink or
so they can mistake so if we
can see a the ai and ot
the writing service and
object or happen
yeah sometimes case of that old
driving salaries
people like a human driver but as
an issue is there
bitter a driving services ratio as out
a human driver so it's very similar
to the shots so i think do
you know there is a horse six
or the and area graduate
ot driving cypress in japan
past
a i support
whoa driver or their have to
grab the hundred all rights
and the sick out of step is
and
driver human driver has to seat is
a seat
and oh a a is driving the
car back to when and sometimes imagine
she happened humor
yeah
take one hundred he said the where
is a cylinder him and the saddle
basically human driver i still do
the doesn't have to do
anything but a human has to sit
down in there is a car on
the whole ship
no need of humor he said of
car
larry is edit everything so as
and car driving service and by erie
sure
politics market
there should be
step-by-step hosted so air i support human
chance and the second
erie need a politics about if imagine
sheet i grabbed whoa who could i
negotiate my guy or economics
the east ancient human
despite the publish way to into politics
he said the ai and the rust
spirit partnership don't need the humor just
air do everything but this is democracy
so
a game
she's account prior a you a mystic
use your through the edition
he can
we got stiffed a region
we he can last a weekend
he got airy put a chance any
time
yeah i agree that the that as
to be someone at the the wheel
at the
at least at the beginning yeah yeah
absolutely and are very kudos to see
all the experiments that the there will
be in next the years time about
the yeah how to use technology to
improve the
social and political life
not just for profit but tribute to
improve the way we take decisions and
yeah until the me it's a bath
it should not be a business so
yeah sees a and policies
all the by the or all
susan's so the should it be shouldn't
be year beast of each was i
seek
of course so thank you a lot
of michi i dunno issue of something
else or throughout the if you want
to run the
aren't you like to say everyone who
is watching this movie breeze lamb or
the issue in your country
i if so you can become to
goal
the what i i was sake to
a while hundred percent and the if
you need if you want to hear
more or it's how this meeting weise
attic alex on the me okay and
it was so
it's keeping that
thank you a lot mitchell